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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jun 20, 2018 18:48:00 GMT -8
Whenever you're feeling down Whenever you feel a little blue A little angry A little mad at the world Just remember you lived to see this happen.  |
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Post by John on Jun 21, 2018 0:38:38 GMT -8
Yay!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 13:42:29 GMT -8
I love that the internet is losing their minds over Lesnar's reign.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jun 26, 2018 4:57:33 GMT -8
Honestly, it's how a Champion should be booked. Major defenses every 2-3 months. The issue with Lesnar is he doesn't make regular appearances. That's the major distinction between Lesnar (what, six defense in 450+ days) and say Okada (12 defenses in, 750? days). Okada still wrestles/ed fairly regularly, Lesnar does not. The Champ shouldn't be losing to geeks on weekly TV (coughAJcough) but he should certainly appear at every major event and PPV.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jun 26, 2018 6:47:39 GMT -8
I'm in the minority I guess that likes Lesnar and believes he is very good for business, such that WWE would be a fool to let the man walk. But, its like you say Matt. I might not need to see him work more than PPVs. But he should have some promo time on the show. Each show. He's the guy on your brand and you're not featuring him, why?
If his salary was too much to accommodate frequently, maybe you should have reconsidered putting your top title on him.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jun 26, 2018 7:54:31 GMT -8
The business is so different. I genuinely don't think anyone is a true "draw" anymore, especially in the American market. Nobody is going to get a subscription to see Brock. Nobody is gonna watch a B-PPV to see Ronda Rousey or because Goldberg is back and has a World Title opportunity. You see these jerks for free 5+ hours a week, nothing is different. Maybe I'm in the wrong, but imagine how much better numbers would look if you *never* saw guys like AJ, Brock, Seth, or Roman wrestling on TV, and could only see them at Live Events or PPV.
Dimes.
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Post by John on Jun 26, 2018 15:15:47 GMT -8
Like that one period in which Stone Cold or The Rock (and then Hunter but not so much) would be on every Raw but they wouldnt have a match and you only got to see them wrestle at the ppv.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jun 26, 2018 16:03:11 GMT -8
The business is so different. I genuinely don't think anyone is a true "draw" anymore, especially in the American market. Nobody is going to get a subscription to see Brock. Nobody is gonna watch a B-PPV to see Ronda Rousey or because Goldberg is back and has a World Title opportunity. You see these jerks for free 5+ hours a week, nothing is different. Maybe I'm in the wrong, but imagine how much better numbers would look if you *never* saw guys like AJ, Brock, Seth, or Roman wrestling on TV, and could only see them at Live Events or PPV. Dimes. I think if you do that, you don't have any ratings for the weeklies. |
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Post by StevieC on Jun 27, 2018 4:13:26 GMT -8
I don't have a problem with Brock or his 'Part time' schedule.
I just don't think he should be anywhere near a championship title
The Champion should be 'full time. I'm not saying I want to see the Universal champion wrestle on every Raw, house show, Network special and everything in the middle. BUT I do think the Universal Title SHOULD be defended on every PPV. Otherwise what's the point of the PPV?
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jun 27, 2018 6:22:42 GMT -8
The business is so different. I genuinely don't think anyone is a true "draw" anymore, especially in the American market. Nobody is going to get a subscription to see Brock. Nobody is gonna watch a B-PPV to see Ronda Rousey or because Goldberg is back and has a World Title opportunity. You see these jerks for free 5+ hours a week, nothing is different. Maybe I'm in the wrong, but imagine how much better numbers would look if you *never* saw guys like AJ, Brock, Seth, or Roman wrestling on TV, and could only see them at Live Events or PPV. Dimes. I think if you do that, you don't have any ratings for the weeklies. The type of people who make a point to watch RAW and SmackDown! weekly will watch on matter what. Nothing advertised has ever mde me say, "yes I want to watch this," and in fact usually has the opposite effect (like the Naomi-GLOW thing they advertised). I literally only tune in if I'm not doing anything else. As for ticket sales, well that's why you advertise dark matches with those guys you don't get to see on TV wrestling. |
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jun 27, 2018 6:25:38 GMT -8
Now see this is some smart thinking.
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Post by John on Jun 27, 2018 8:27:09 GMT -8
Raw and smackdown have so many guys, that you dont see guys for weeks at a time, and you see some guys every week. Idk why they dont take, say Braun and have him on raw but no match, give his inring time to....1 on 1 womens match or something, anything to stop these pointless tag matches and everyone in the womens division in a cluster fuck tag match.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jun 27, 2018 8:53:15 GMT -8
I think they feel obligated to continue arcs and use the same people, fearing that we might "forgot" about somebody if they miss a show. I say it a lot but I really wish they'd cut back on in-ring segments, remove the opening promo entirely, and just stop wasting time with that sort of shit, especially on SmackDown.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jun 27, 2018 9:04:43 GMT -8
Just a sign of the bloated roster they have right now.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jun 28, 2018 5:02:10 GMT -8
Just a sign of the bloated roster they have right now. Which is insane that they make their guys work 4 nights a week and wear themselves out. I get nobody wants to go to a Live Event to see an exciting main event between Sin Cara and Zack Ryder, but they need to rotate more. |
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jul 1, 2018 1:52:52 GMT -8
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Post by John on Jul 1, 2018 2:28:27 GMT -8
wow, lots to read in that in dept article, some real ground breaking stuff there. Thanks for reminding me why I don't ready that shit anymore.
But besides the shitastic read which is only click bait really.
and Ignoring the UFC stuff....
Do you think the REAL reason why we won't see Brock at SummerSlam is because the dude is hurt? That tumble through the cage and having Roman land on him like he did (Not blaming Roman), could he have broken ribs and that is preventing him from getting back in the ring and the WWE is going to use that as a storyline of "Brock isn't here tonight" instead of stripping him of the belt and having some cluster fuck match to crown a new champ?
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jul 1, 2018 4:13:27 GMT -8
I just figure it's because he's working PPA right now and his appearance rate is through the roof so the company is minimizing his appearances. Seemed reasonable to me.
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Post by StevieC on Jul 1, 2018 4:34:10 GMT -8
how in hell does a company like WWE get to a point where it can't afford one of their roster? How does WWE get to a point where they are being dictated to by a member of their roster? Why would WWE put their Heavyweight Title on someone who is never around to defend it or add prestige to it when it was a similar disaster last time?
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Post by John on Jul 1, 2018 6:15:28 GMT -8
I don't think it's a "they can't afford him." It's that they view him as a special draw and I'm not sure if he really is a draw or not. IDK what the buy rates do when he has a match, or the ratings for RAW when he appears even move. They have done a fairly good job of treating him like a special draw, and in the few matches he's had, he's beaten everyone in front of him, mostly Roman, but he's beaten Braun and Joe in multiman matches as well.
In a way, he's adding prestige to it, when WM rolls around, they'll recap his defenses, the handful of guys he's beaten, (which happen to be the top guys on RAW) and how he's overcome the odds in some of those matches to retain. In April, it'll be almost 2 years, Braun will (hopefully) cash in, get his match, beat Brock and it'll be a big deal. If not Braun, then someone else, at some point, they are going to:
A: Get Brock in the ring, which is almost going to be a win in itself. Especially if they just not have him show up for the rest of the year. You can have Heyman show up and play the "There isn't anyone in the WWE, on RAW, on Smackdown, in NXT, Hell there isn't anyone in Japan, in ROH, TNA, you name the promotion, there is NO ONE worthy of my clients time to climb in this ring to defend the WWE Universal Championship, and until this company shows my client that they have a opponent who is going to challenge, who will push my client, Brock Lesnar to the edge of competition, he's not showing up. You see, my client, Brock Lesnar, he doesn't want to be like CM Punk who just faced and beaten anyone the company placed in front of him, and let's be honest, cuz I was there to witness this first hand, hell I set up up some of those matches just so this company HAD something to sell as it's Main Event for each upcoming PPV, my client wants! My client needs! My client yearns to face the best of the best, the cream of the crop, the guy who in everyone's eyes, is the guy who is going to defeat Brock Lesnar! and take the WWE Universal title. And so far, as I stand in this ring and talk to you, there is not ONE GUY in this company who can do that. SO until that day comes, get used to seeing who ever prance around on RAW with the IC title as this brands only singles championship alvaibile on RAW."
B: Beat him and win the belt.
When that happens, it's going to noteworthy and that guy, whoever it is, is going to stand out in the company because!
"He saved the Universal Championship"
Just picture Brock as this big prize fighter, what they tried to do with Kevin Owens when he was called up. Look at the big big picture.
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Post by StevieC on Jul 1, 2018 10:45:36 GMT -8
IF Roman's the one that beats him, I doubt the cry will be "he saved the Universal Championship"
It'll be "He's always getting the pushes" or "Didn't WWE do Roman vs Braun recently? Why can't we get a new feud"
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jul 1, 2018 11:57:10 GMT -8
Vince is so desperate to get these pops on Roman but he just doesn't get that the harder he tries, the more people will push back. The best pushes are organic and natural and this is anything but.
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Post by John on Jul 1, 2018 13:37:31 GMT -8
I think it'll be Braun myself.
Its the whole Monster in the Bank deal.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jul 1, 2018 14:57:51 GMT -8
I think it'll be Braun myself. Its the whole Monster in the Bank deal. Now this is what I want to see. Let Roman have his big moment in finally conquering the beast, raise the title up, then BBBBRRRRAAAAUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! Everyone pops, they know what's going to happen and they love it. Braun cashes in, raises the title, and we're all glued to RAW indefinitely because we want to see what the monster destroys next. |
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jul 2, 2018 5:12:14 GMT -8
I'd prefer Roman winning and then Braun cashing in. Even though I don't want Boreman Lames to be the guy to finally beat Brock, I don't want Brock losing the belt again due to a cash-in where he doesn't even get pinned. WWE has done one thing and made me want to see Brock actually lose, not lose some sort of multi-man match.
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Post by StevieC on Jul 2, 2018 21:34:07 GMT -8
I can see the whole thing being a re-enactment of Survivor Series a couple of years ago. I see Roman beating Brock to finally take the belt from him. Out comes Braun who cashes in. Brauny leaves with the belt to the sound of cheers leaving Roman laying in the confetti with his head in his hands. Next few months are Roman vs Strowman for the Universal Title
Can't say any of this interests me, but that's how I see it happening.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jul 2, 2018 22:31:35 GMT -8
I can see the whole thing being a re-enactment of Survivor Series a couple of years ago. I see Roman beating Brock to finally take the belt from him. Out comes Braun who cashes in. Brauny leaves with the belt to the sound of cheers leaving Roman laying in the confetti with his head in his hands. Next few months are Roman vs Strowman for the Universal Title Can't say any of this interests me, but that's how I see it happening. That's exactly the problem, and Money in the Bank did this too. Bliss on top, Lesnar, AJ, then Rollins in the midcard, this is WWE circa 2016/2017, only we're in 2018. At least I think it's 2018, I can't tell with the stagnation of the on-screen product. Lack of innovation and total complacency has led to a TV product that is far, far too predictable. There's nothing "can't miss" IMHO. |
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Jul 3, 2018 5:08:30 GMT -8
Who here hype for another Tuesday?
-SmA+ck
-Hell No / Bludgeons build
-Inevitable Rusev Day shenanigans since it's the 4th
-Possibility of Big Match John, since it's the 4th
-Mustafa vs Buddy No DQ
-Fallout from Gulak conquering LHP once and for all
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Jul 3, 2018 6:24:35 GMT -8
Who here hype for another Tuesday? -SmA+ck -Hell No / Bludgeons build -Inevitable Rusev Day shenanigans since it's the 4th -Possibility of Big Match John, since it's the 4th -Mustafa vs Buddy No DQ -Fallout from Gulak conquering LHP once and for all It's like, the total opposite of Monday night. Ha. And 205 has been freakin incredible post Spud. Took some time to get going, but I'm really enjoying it, and I didn't think I'd say that without Enzo Amore being around lol. Though I really do think this would be where a Trios title would stand out, further differentiating them from the main roster. I like that, even if it's so not a WWE concept. |
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Post by John on Jul 4, 2018 3:44:59 GMT -8
I couldn't get past the first hour of raw, even by hitting FWD. It was just toooooooo much Roman for me. I gave in and deleted it. Hit up youtube and watched RAW ups and downs, 10 minutes later, I know what happened.
And how many more weeks in a row are we going to see Bob/Roman v Revival? 3 weeks in a row is good man.
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