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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 15:49:08 GMT -8
Hopes for Smackdown picks tonight.....
They got the Miz so I'm 99% happy already.
Need to pick up....
Finn Balor (I'm sure everyone thinks this) Seth Rollins (doubtfully since they debuted his Monday Night Rollins shirt, but I don't want Hardy on Smackdown) Bayley (she could use the change of scenery, I feel like the end of Sasha feud quickly means that one of them is moving)
Now, I think Miz should create a new Miztourage on Smackdown (just not sure who yet). What do you guys think? Who would fit?
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 18, 2018 5:12:16 GMT -8
Holy fuck SmackDown blew the absolute fuck out of RAW
-Got rid of Mojo, Dolph, Jinder (whom I admittedly like), Ryder, Riott Squad, the Kanellises, Owens and Sami -Called up SAnitY, IIconics and EL IDOLO -Picked up Jeff, Senior Joe, the Club, da Bar, Miz, and Asuka -Hung onto AJ, Nakamura, DBry, the Usos, Rusev Day, and Charlotte
The only drawbacks are losing based Gay Cops and picking up Big (C)Ass. We could be on the cusp of another second-half of 2016 era for SmackDown. Now they just need to bring back Talking Smack.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 18, 2018 12:20:49 GMT -8
This is like the smackdown 6 but on steroids Pleasantly surprised to see.
I have a theory this shakeup happened for a reason. Haitch is getting his dry run over one of two main shows while Vince of course writes RAW. Haitch is taking a WRESTLING approach to Vince's PERSONALITY approach almost like the two are competing with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 14:30:16 GMT -8
Holy fuck SmackDown blew the absolute fuck out of RAW -Got rid of Mojo, Dolph, Jinder (whom I admittedly like), Ryder, Riott Squad, the Kanellises, Owens and Sami -Called up SAnitY, IIconics and EL IDOLO -Picked up Jeff, Senior Joe, the Club, da Bar, Miz, and Asuka -Hung onto AJ, Nakamura, DBry, the Usos, Rusev Day, and Charlotte The only drawbacks are losing based Gay Cops and picking up Big (C)Ass. We could be on the cusp of another second-half of 2016 era for SmackDown. Now they just need to bring back Talking Smack. I was pleased....kind of wish Finn Balor would have moved over to Smackdown. He would have gotten a better chance.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 19, 2018 5:02:49 GMT -8
This is like the smackdown 6 but on steroids Pleasantly surprised to see. I have a theory this shakeup happened for a reason. Haitch is getting his dry run over one of two main shows while Vince of course writes RAW. Haitch is taking a WRESTLING approach to Vince's PERSONALITY approach almost like the two are competing with each other. I don't think so; Haitch runs NXT and 205 and it shows by being more action oriented (205) with more long-term storytelling (NXT). I'm just thinking maybe they realized that sort of forgot what made this second split work so well when it started, and that is RAM being focused on characters and catered more to a casual audience, whereas Smack! had more workrate and "smarky" booking. The shake-up last year stripped Smack! of it's identity and it's a major reason the show floundered so hard. Apr 18, 2018 18:30:16 GMT -4 clinnerd said: Leon Tyrell Avatar Apr 18, 2018 9:12:16 GMT -4 Leon Tyrell said: Holy fuck SmackDown blew the absolute fuck out of RAW -Got rid of Mojo, Dolph, Jinder (whom I admittedly like), Ryder, Riott Squad, the Kanellises, Owens and Sami -Called up SAnitY, IIconics and EL IDOLO -Picked up Jeff, Senior Joe, the Club, da Bar, Miz, and Asuka -Hung onto AJ, Nakamura, DBry, the Usos, Rusev Day, and Charlotte The only drawbacks are losing based Gay Cops and picking up Big (C)Ass. We could be on the cusp of another second-half of 2016 era for SmackDown. Now they just need to bring back Talking Smack. I was pleased....kind of wish Finn Balor would have moved over to Smackdown. He would have gotten a better chance. Finn really doesn't resonate with me so I don't care. I expected he and the Club were gonna get moved, but I'm sort of relieved it's only Gallows & Anderson - hopefully they become AJ's boys now. I mean I know he'd put on spectacles with AJ, DBry, and Nakamura, but he's pretty redundant on the roster at this point. Smack! is only 2 hours and can't afford to have 6-8 certified main eventers like RAM does.
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Post by StevieC on Apr 19, 2018 9:19:43 GMT -8
Only thing I didn't like was the raid on NXT. Yes, I know that NXT is a developmental and the ultimate goal is to go to WWE, but this Shakeup was billed as a two night talent trade between Raw and Smackdown. NOT NXT! There are 51 other weeks of the year where they could have called the NXT guys up or announced the NXT guys were coming
Come to think of it, I don't like the fact that WWE have announced what are now cross-promotion matches for up coming shows like Jinder vs Jeff and Shesaro vs Eaters Of Worlds. It feels like WWE are telling us now that Jeff is defending and Matt & Wyatt are winning the vacant Tag Team Titles.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 19, 2018 10:10:01 GMT -8
Come to think of it, I don't like the fact that WWE have announced what are now cross-promotion matches for up coming shows like Jinder vs Jeff and Shesaro vs Eaters Of Worlds. It feels like WWE are telling us now that Jeff is defending and Matt & Wyatt are winning the vacant Tag Team Titles. This is why I think there are way too many titles. The problem with having brand specific belts is it no longer gels when you make all your Pay-Per-View cross-branded. You could easily, easily make a unified World, Tag Team, and Women's belt (especially women's, since both rosters are a bit thin to justify two titles here) and then maybe just the IC and US as brand exclusives a la best of raw/best of smackdown. That would clear so much up. But WWE has never been adept at long term planning so...
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 19, 2018 10:50:36 GMT -8
Come to think of it, I don't like the fact that WWE have announced what are now cross-promotion matches for up coming shows like Jinder vs Jeff and Shesaro vs Eaters Of Worlds. It feels like WWE are telling us now that Jeff is defending and Matt & Wyatt are winning the vacant Tag Team Titles. This is why I think there are way too many titles. The problem with having brand specific belts is it no longer gels when you make all your Pay-Per-View cross-branded. You could easily, easily make a unified World, Tag Team, and Women's belt (especially women's, since both rosters are a bit thin to justify two titles here) and then maybe just the IC and US as brand exclusives a la best of raw/best of smackdown. That would clear so much up. But WWE has never been adept at long term planning so... Yeah, ending single-branded PPVs makes having a pair of Tag and Woman's belts ridiculous. As for the "give-away" matches, you are probably right about the Woken Warriors vs. The Bar result, however they could be doing a double swerve with Jeff and Rollins. Jeff could easily lose the US Title back to Jinder at the GRR, and Rollins can drop the IC belt to Joe/Miz at GRR, or to Miz at Backlash, and swap the belts *again*. They could swerve that swerve, where Jeff loses the US to Jinder at GRR, and Seth retains, giving RAW both midcard belts for a few weeks until Orton or Miz reclaim the US/IC title at Backlash. At the very least the midcard titles are interesting at the moment. I think they should really do the following. WWE Title (SD-only, occasionally cross-brand defenses) Universal Title (to make it stand out, basically book allt he holders like Brock where they don't defend it often, and add a special "you can only challenge the current Champion once" rule to it, RAW-only) IC Title (basically the defacto top RAW title when the Universal Champ isn't defending) US Title (SD-only, midcard) Unified Tag Team (cross-brand) Unified Women's (cross-brand) Cruiserweight Title (RAW/205-only, seen on RAW more when the Uni champ is out to effectively give the show a 'B-title") Cruiserweight Tag (205, rare RAW appearance) UK Title (NXT, allowed to be defended in UK indies) NA Title (NXT, broker deals to send the Champion out on indie tours rather than NXT house shows to defend the belt) NXT Title NXT Tag Titles NXT Women's
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 19, 2018 13:30:17 GMT -8
Rather than creating a new CW belt that will be of dubious value. Just bring the UK belt to 205. Most the guys around that title are cruisers anyway and this helps get more eyes on that belt, maybe more eyes on 205, and breeds interesting cross-appeal with the CW title. I cant help but imagine this is way stronger than creating a brand new title especially as with the proposed title, you still leave the UK title in limbo (I really don't think you need or even want five titles in a one hour developmental show).
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 20, 2018 4:46:09 GMT -8
Rather than creating a new CW belt that will be of dubious value. Just bring the UK belt to 205. Most the guys around that title are cruisers anyway and this helps get more eyes on that belt, maybe more eyes on 205, and breeds interesting cross-appeal with the CW title. I cant help but imagine this is way stronger than creating a brand new title especially as with the proposed title, you still leave the UK title in limbo (I really don't think you need or even want five titles in a one hour developmental show). The UK Title isn't really meant to be a NXT-branded belt, which is why it isn't the NXT UK Title. If anything, they should just have Dunne appear more often on 205 and RAW. However, I get a strange vibe they aren't going to go through with a UK-based show, and may very well unify the UK and NA titles soon. As for a Cruiserweight Tag Title, I don't see how it is of dubious value. 205 Live has more guys than the hour time-slot allows for and already has a number of tag teams anyway (Tozowa/Itami, LHP, Kendrick/Jack, maybe even Andrews/Neese?). I think it would give all the parties more to do. For example I actually really enjoy the Tozowa/Itami feud with LHP, but imagine if some belts got thrown into the mix? It would give more people something to vie for and would open the door for more competition. I mean what's a typical 205 Live show look like? -Main title feud match / promo -Random tag match -Random squash match or exhibition match -Whomever is currently feuding with Gulak I think the show could only benefit from a set of tag titles honestly.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 20, 2018 5:46:14 GMT -8
Oh I agree it would benefit. It's just the CW title itself lacks the star power to make it a bigger deal than it should be (to be higher than the preshow). Introducing another set of titles, when the roster is only "205 over" and not "actually over", that's where the dubious value comes in, at least to me. I think they should get these guys built up better before making another title only the hardcore fan will somewhat care about.
You build them up by giving them memorable feuds, not brand new unestablished titles and traded wins that dont really matter in the end.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 20, 2018 5:55:33 GMT -8
Oh I agree it would benefit. It's just the CW title itself lacks the star power to make it a bigger deal than it should be (to be higher than the preshow). Introducing another set of titles, when the roster is only "205 over" and not "actually over", that's where the dubious value comes in, at least to me. I think they should get these guys built up better before making another title only the hardcore fan will somewhat care about. You build them up by giving them memorable feuds, not brand new unestablished titles and traded wins that dont really matter in the end. 205 doesn't trade wins, the faces always, always come out on top. I think Neville was ever the only exclusion to that rule. Off-topic, I do see your point.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 20, 2018 7:22:24 GMT -8
Oh I agree it would benefit. It's just the CW title itself lacks the star power to make it a bigger deal than it should be (to be higher than the preshow). Introducing another set of titles, when the roster is only "205 over" and not "actually over", that's where the dubious value comes in, at least to me. I think they should get these guys built up better before making another title only the hardcore fan will somewhat care about. You build them up by giving them memorable feuds, not brand new unestablished titles and traded wins that dont really matter in the end. 205 doesn't trade wins, the faces always, always come out on top. I think Neville was ever the only exclusion to that rule. Off-topic, I do see your point. That's the problem lol. Your heels cant keep their heat. That's why Gallagher is a failure. Ariya Daivari and Drew Gulak could both have been money until.....well, we know how they've been used.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 20, 2018 10:21:56 GMT -8
205 doesn't trade wins, the faces always, always come out on top. I think Neville was ever the only exclusion to that rule. Off-topic, I do see your point. That's the problem lol. Your heels cant keep their heat. That's why Gallagher is a failure. Ariya Daivari and Drew Gulak could both have been money until.....well, we know how they've been used. Exactly. None of the heels on 205 have any heat. Neville and Enzo did and they are both gone. Davari and Gulak lose every match unless they're being set up to lose to Cedric or Mustafa. TJP is 50-50, and Jack and Kendrick can only beat jobbers. We'll see how Buddy gets booked in the coming weeks.
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Post by John on Apr 20, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -8
How about they take a 205 tag team, say Tozowa/Itami, and say at.....Summer Slam, in a multi team cluster tag team title match, have them pick up the SD tag titles. Then you move those belts that have a "history" and they unoffically become the 205 tag belts without creating new belts. Then the rest of the tag teams, they slug it out for the raw tag belts, which is quietly renamed the WWE Tag Team Titles. PPV's are cross promotion now, so you can SM teams v Raw teams..
I also feel the same idea could work for a women's tag title. You just need 1 set. (And maybe make one of the brand Women's title, a IC like title, name what ever you want, it's a second teir title.)
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 21, 2018 3:35:40 GMT -8
How about they take a 205 tag team, say Tozowa/Itami, and say at.....Summer Slam, in a multi team cluster tag team title match, have them pick up the SD tag titles. Then you move those belts that have a "history" and they unoffically become the 205 tag belts without creating new belts. Then the rest of the tag teams, they slug it out for the raw tag belts, which is quietly renamed the WWE Tag Team Titles. PPV's are cross promotion now, so you can SM teams v Raw teams.. I also feel the same idea could work for a women's tag title. You just need 1 set. (And maybe make one of the brand Women's title, a IC like title, name what ever you want, it's a second teir title.) A quiet rebranding, I like it. On another note, I think this fucking guy is going to be a treasure trove of GIFs and reaction memes. I'm not sure if he's supposed to be ironic or a discount John Morrison.
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Post by John on Apr 21, 2018 5:36:55 GMT -8
Never heard of that dude. Reminds me of a white V. Dream.... So he'll prop. be awesome in NXT.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 21, 2018 11:55:03 GMT -8
Never seen him before. But I am hype.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 23, 2018 5:07:13 GMT -8
My knowledge of him doesn't go beyond the tag team he had with some other guys and that they would cut promos calling other guys "soft, sensitive, sissy soyboys" before getting squashed at house shows. Obviously somebody didn't see any longevity in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:05:31 GMT -8
So glad that Miz is back on Smackdown. Ratings will go up.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 24, 2018 16:13:37 GMT -8
So glad that Miz is back on Smackdown. Ratings will go up. Making Tuesday nights must-see again. Meanwhile RAW last night was so....so......drab. I don't think I could even call it filler, it wasn't even good enough for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:16:38 GMT -8
Someone taught Big Cass how to cut a promo over the last 7 months.
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Post by John on Apr 24, 2018 16:35:45 GMT -8
Well, Enzo does have some free time on his hands......
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 24, 2018 17:14:14 GMT -8
Wow this show has been electric. Talk about a pick me up from last night's slogfest.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on Apr 24, 2018 17:15:33 GMT -8
Someone taught Big Cass how to cut a promo over the last 7 months. Right?! He caught me off guard I'm like "wait, he can work the stick now?! Since when??" SmackDown is gonna be OK. It's in good hands.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on Apr 25, 2018 4:59:50 GMT -8
SmA+ck is back lads. Wew. Big (C)ass can apparently cut a promo, based Miz is based, AJ/Club reunion, Nakamura has new music so fans can't sing with it anymore. I fucking died during the Rowan/Jimmy match during Naomi's distraction. Normally you'd expect heels booked like the BB have been to ignore it, but Harper and Rowan were rightfully mesmerized by dat ass.
Finally, and most importantly, I love the fact that AJ/Nak can be summarized as "Nakamura keeps hitting AJ in the balls." Truly storytelling at it's most fundamental.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on May 1, 2018 5:01:53 GMT -8
What a fucking awful episode of RAW.
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Post by @whirlwind_LLC on May 1, 2018 6:31:41 GMT -8
Its like when you realize Jinder's sole purpose for being on RAW is to get pops on Roman. Should let him be the one to carry on for Brock, if only to hear Meltzer blow a Cornette gasket at WWE for doing that match.
But nope its gonna be Roman.
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Post by Leon Tyrell on May 1, 2018 7:44:27 GMT -8
It was one thing when Roman was squaring up to Brock, but now he's gotten his ass beat by him on four non-consecutive occasions and lost twice (three times if you count SummerSlam). Then have him come out and whine about how he really won and he's the real Champion, he's fucking done and they have to know he's fucking done.
If by some act of God Samoa Joe beats a Samoan named Joe, than I think we may be able to say the experiment is over.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 9:57:43 GMT -8
I agree....95% of Raw sucked ass, but Rollins and Balor put on a great match.
I hope Smackdown blows it away tonight....shouldn't take much. Sanity coming out would probably be enough to put them over.
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